Looking & Moving Forward

The following is a conversation I had with Adam Markel. Adam is a best-selling author,

international keynote speaker, and trainer who specializes in helping individuals and

companies make life and career transformations and changes.

2021 is just around the corner. For many of us, this next year is a welcomed start to

new beginnings and possibilities. For others, turning the clock means an end to what

has been an extremely tumultuous season in our lifetime. In my recent sit-down

conversation with Adam Markel, we discuss how all of us can look forward and move

forward into this next season of our lives. Adam is the best-selling author of “Pivot; The

Art and Science of Reinventing You Career and Life.” In addition, he is a leading

international keynote speaker who has reached tens of thousands worldwide with his

message of resilience and bringing more to your life and business. As a former attorney

turned CEO of More Love Media and host of The Conscious Pivot Podcast, Adam

shared with me his insights on how to successfully pivot and move forward this next

year despite the trials and tribulations this past year has presented to us.

This conversation was life changing without a doubt and I know not only will you truly

enjoy this chat, but you will see and feel Adam’s heart as he delivers some very key

insights for pivoting and moving forward.

Adam: Oh my goodness, Robert, thank you so much for having me. And I just want to

say at the outset, I’ve had the good fortune to be introduced frequently, and a lot of

different places around the globe, that was just a beautiful introduction. Really my heart

was swelling as I was listening to you pour that love all over me, so thank you.

Rob: September is a mutual friend who I have known for almost thirty years. And when

she says that she trusts, loves, and admire someone I immediately trust and admire that

person as well just because I trust her so much. So, if September gives you praise that

is all I need. Before we really get into the meat of it, I would love for myself and for my

audience to know how you and your beautiful family have dealt with this past year? How

have you dealt with everything just like everyone else?

Adam: Well, it is a mixed bag. I think there is no other way for me to look back on this

year and see it as anything other than a mixed back. The binding moments where I felt

more connected to my Creator, more aligned in my purpose, where I felt joy in new and

even deeper ways where my own self-awareness, my own consciousness has risen

opportunities in our business that were there and others that appeared, and others that

we didn’t even anticipate would be there. Those showed themselves and at the same

time like a ledger in accounting, I was a lawyer for 18 years, not so good with

accounting but I understand that there’s this balance or let’s call it a harmony between

the pluses and the minuses. Between the credits and the debits. So yeah, there has

been a lot of good stuff. And that is only a small list of things. I feel good about when it

comes to this year. Then there is a good size list of things that would be the negatives,

the debits and the things that were challenging. Firstly, the number of people who have

passed away, the deaths that have occurred as a result of a pandemic, and every year

there are people who die that we don’t hear about. The flu takes people as well as heart

attacks, heart disease, car accidents, drunk driving accidents, I mean, you name it there

are people who die every year and are mourned and people are in grief at the loss of

somebody in their life that we don’t hear about, so this is a year. Where we are hearing

about this staggering number of people that have died as a result of this pandemic, so

that’s first. The disruption that the pandemic ultimately produced in the way that we live,

how we live, all that that means life as we knew it, is quite different. I do not want to say

it’s no more but it’s very different now to the experience of living in the world that we

have is so different. So there’s a part of me that is not only in grief and mourning the

loss of people and the loss of things that will probably have changed and may never go

back to the same way they were, but I’m also morning, just the way things that are

sacred, that connection with other people, the ability to hug a person, how it is that we

spend time in proximity to other people, I’m kind of a soul of solitary soul.

I’ve been a public speaker for 12 years. I was a lawyer and I would stand-up in

court, always felt nervous in court, and I somehow ended up pivoting out of practicing

law and ended up teaching and sharing my experience is really more than anything else

on stages around the globe in these areas of reinvention, resilience and the like. And

one of the things that even though I’m sort of an introvert and situationally I’m an

extrovert for those at that higher purpose, one of the things that I’ve always loved and I

never can get enough of it, is just hugs. Just being in the presence of another human

being and be a look them in the eye and have them see me and embrace. That is just

something that might take a little while. It might take a minute before we can get back to

feeling that that is the norm again or that we’re even open to that. So, I guess to answer

your question is, it is a mixed bag. That is how I look at it.

Rob: How should us as an individual, as a company, a group, church, or whatever, how

should we reflect on 2020 and all that has brought upon us?

Adam: Well, I am not going to suggest that we look at it through rose colored glasses or

we look at it like Pollyanna. That everything is just good. I have left out a bunch of

things. The murders of innocent people in 2020. Again, that happens every year. There

is nothing new, but to witness George Floyd’s murder the way we did as a nation. You

cannot ignore those things. You have to acknowledge and remember those things. Yet,

and here is the thing, we got to move forward. I am in my 50s and I’ve had a lot of

success. I have had a lot of failure. Overall, my life has been nothing but a blessing.

And if I say, Well, what is the one thing? What is the one... I mean, there is a million

things that it takes to be a good father, to be a good spouse, to be a good friend, to be a

good leader, CEO, founder, manager, there’s so many things, and yet, one thing we

have to do is move forward. You can’t learn from our failings, we can’t get to the place

where we’ve applied the feedback, where we take what we found out and used it to

grow and use it as a catalyst for growth. Use that adversity as a catalyst for growth,

which is how I define resilience.

You cannot do that if you don’t move forward. And I think that is a big issue with a lot of

people in their lives is they get stuck. No judgment about it. If you lose something, like

you lose your job, you lose your business, you lose somebody you love. You can get

stuck quickly and I just feel that as we bring this year to an end and we move into 2021,

my advice for anybody, business or otherwise is we have got to move forward.

Rob: Absolutely, I am 100% behind that, and one thing that I’ve come to realize about

myself and I have to be careful about this but to your point is I know personally I am

very good at taking a look at the situation for what it is. But immediately my mind moves

to, how do I move forward through this. How I do move forward. And that is tough. It’s

extremely tough. Take this past month for example, my sister unfortunately lost her

battle to cancer two days before her 50th birthday. That was tough. And then short time,

literally a week after, I get tested positive for Covid-19. Then my wife, Emily, tests

positive. I am afraid to say is there anything else that can happen this month. But then

immediately in my head I am asking how do we move forward? That is one of the

reasons why I got into coaching is I want to help people move forward.

Adam: Can I put one little sprinkle on that? In moving forward, I think people get what

that means. I say you must look forward to move forward. We must look at where we

are going, where we want to go, that is how you drive a car, that is how you drive your

life. Yes, we have to move forward. We have got to look forward. I think that is where a

lot of people often get stuck. It is because they are looking in the rear-view mirror and

they are looking back.

Rob: You went from being a lawyer and then life happened for you, you decided to pivot

and move in transition. Fill my audience in on that story.

Adam: Why don’t we go right to the belly of the beast. For me it was waking up one

morning. First moments of waking each morning, I don’t know if anybody can relate to

this. I’ll go back twelve or so years. I used to put my feet on the floor as we are lucky

enough to do. The first feelings that I can remember having were feelings of

anxiousness, anxiety, or anger. I would sometimes sit at the edge of the bed and just

kind of make a grunting noise or say something I probably should not say on the

podcast. That was odd man because I married my college sweetheart. We are married

30 plus years now. We have four healthy kids. We had so much going for us.

My life was so blessed in so many ways, and yet I put my feet on the floor and I had this

sense that something was not right. I might even call it dread is how I would feel. That

went on for too many weeks, months, and years to count. I didn’t know really what to do

about it or what to make of it. I just sort of thought you know its part of life. You’re going

through something. Whatever it is, it will pass and I just got to grit it out. I’m a gritty guy.

I am a tenacious person, so I’ll just grind more. So if I’m working 60 hours a week, I will

work 70 or work 80. Whatever it takes to basically figure it out. And for me at the time I

think we are figuring it out meant then I just earn so much money that I’ll be able to buy

my way out. To buy my way out of what I was feeling, which was miserable. I was in

misery and it was something I tried to ignore. I just did not do a good job of ignoring it. I

ended up in the emergency room on a gurney on a Saturday morning. I am supposed to

be at my sons baseball game and I’m there instead with electrodes taped to my chest

and feeling my heart pounding so hard I thought I was going to literally pop out of my

chest. I am sweating profusely. My mind is racing. I’m having thoughts like I’m dying. Crazy and awful

thoughts. I’m not going to see my kids again ever. I cannot believe it. I’m sitting here thinking, I can’t

believe this is ending this way. It is how I’m going to go down. My wife is standing by my

bed side. She has no color in her face. She is just like shocked and then I get the

verdict from the emergency room doctor. He comes in, speaks to me for a little while,

and he says, “Hey, you’re not having a heart attack. I know that you feel like you are but

your EKG shows that your heart is just fine. What you are having right now, what you’re

experiencing is likely an anxiety attack.” We talk for a while and he said, “so part of the

reason you’re feeling what you’re feeling is you haven’t been sleeping well, and now it’s

been that way for a while. You are stressed and you are in a stressful job. We had a

little chuckle about me being a lawyer and drinking a lot of coffee. These are lifestyle

choices that you have made that have led you to a place where you are feeling the way

you’re feeling. So you got a lucky today. It might not feel lucky but where you are sitting

you are lucky because I am giving you good news.

In my work I see people that don’t always come out of here. We got out of the hospital

that day and I realized I got a reprieve. I even thanked God. I hadn’t said thank you God

my whole life, I don’t think. I looked up at the sky and said thank you God. And I meant

it. But of course I didn’t know what to do! I don’t know what to do with this. What do I do

with this? So, as it turns out, I went back to what I knew and I think that’s what a lot of

us do when we get to that inflection point. The thing that I later wrote about and called a

pivot point. This was a pivotal moment for me, yet it was only the start of it. It exposed

the fact that something had to change but I had no clue what needed to change. Fast

forward maybe it is six months later and I’m back in my old habits. I am doing the same

things I was doing.

I come home late night and walk in the door. I am dripping wet and I see my wife

by the stairs to go up. I start to go up the stairs. I look at her, I see her eyes, and I knew

instantly what was going on behind those eyes. I knew that she was saying not with her

words but with her eyes. She was saying “you did it again. Man, you did it again. You

said you would be home for dinner. You didn't make it home for dinner. Here it is past

the kid’s bedtime and you didn’t even get home in time to read him a bedtime story.” I

kiss them goodnight while they’re still awake and I walked right up to her and I said, “If I

keep doing what I’m doing, you’re going to be a widow.” She took that in, took a breath

and then she said some words that have stayed with me and will always stay with me.

She said, “We’ll figure it out.” So in that moment and I realize this is special. Not

everybody has that in their life, people that will support them the way I was being

supported. She didn’t say remember we got two houses here, the cars is in the

driveway, the lease on our home, four kids, two big dogs, gerbil, and a gold fish. You

are responsible for a lot of stuff, dude. She did not remind me of any of that. She just

said we will figure it out. In that moment I did not have to contemplate moving to Fiji or

quitting my job, even though that would have been lovely. I knew I needed to make a

change to what I was doing for a living. I didn’t have to have a mid-life crisis. We were

able to plan a mid-life calling. That was ultimately the birth of the book, the child that

was born out of this miserable time in my life. I learned how to make small changes. I

learned how to pivot. I learned how to create a plan B that would sustain us and would

nourish us. Forget the sustain even but would nourish me, nourish my soul, and nourish

my family at the same time. That took about two and a half years. It did not happen

overnight. I am not a jump ship guy. I am not a do this one thing and everything

changes.

It does not work like that. It is like dominoes. You tip that first domino and then

sequentially what happens is you tip the next to the next to the next. That is the way

dominos work. It is often just getting something started and making a small change that

ultimately changes in outcomes. You cannot change the input without changing the

output. It is the butterfly effect. I think a lot of people where they get stuck is, they think

that either they’ve have to do something drastic to pivot or that making a small change

isn’t going to get the job done. And you are right! It will not get the job done if what you

want is for the job to be done tomorrow. However, if you are willing to look at a time

horizon that is sensible and know that you can’t change any one thing without seeing a

change. You understand you can’t change the input and not see the output change. If

you are willing to be patient enough and tenacious enough to see it through. There is

nobody who cannot change their circumstances profoundly without actually making any

single profound change in the process.

Rob: 2021 Is right around the corner. Many of us are going to make these grandiose

plans to lose weight, start a business, save money, go for a promotion, etc. However,

most of those individuals will not reach those goals. Would you say that resilience or the

lack there of is one of the key reasons why most people do not reach those goals?

Adam: Well, I think that people are burned out, stressed out and overwhelmed, and to

answer the first part of the question, or the way that you frame the question, resilience is

the thing that enables you to keep going, it enables you to go and you keep going long

enough to figure stuff out. Any entrepreneur that has been in it for more than a minute

knows that it is tough on a good day. But what makes it possible to succeed as an

entrepreneur or as a business owner, body transformation, or operator of an

organization is you have got to have longevity. You must continue to iterate and learn

through failure, learn through shock, trying things, testing things, and learn through the

process of staying in the game. What it takes to succeed and win in the game. You

cannot stay in the game. if you lack resilience. The lack of resilience is ultimately the

cause of the quitting. You could say as many have said before that a person doesn’t

succeed because at some point they quit. I look for the first domino often and to me that

first domino is they are not set up as resilient as they can be. Therefore, when they are

exhausted, burned out, and overwhelmed they naturally quit. You can make anybody

quit.

I just had a guy on our podcast was a 26-year veteran of the Navy Seals. He told me all

about people who quit and these are the highest performing folks you could ever meet

physically but not necessarily mentally. You can make anybody quit something if you

give them enough and pile enough on them there’s almost no human that you could

possibly imagine that you couldn’t get to quit.

Rob: Your book Pivot is broken up in two parts, Beliefs and Behaviors. I believe that

one of the reasons many people do not reach their desired level of success is a lack of

a clear vision. In your book you provide some amazing points on clarity and I would love

for you to expound on that.

Adam: Well, there is a great lyric and I think it was George Harrison that said that “if

you don’t know where you’re going any road will take you there.” Having a clear vision is

incredibly important, and that’s both short-term and long-term vision. Typically, when we

work with people all over the world at an organizational level whether it’s founders, early

startups, or even much more mature Fortune 50 companies, we go in to help them to

develop their resilience. Part of what we are looking for is what is their vision. Because

again, if you don’t have a vision for the future research, the kind of case studies that go

back to the 60s and talk about learned helplessness where people when they don’t have

vision they feel hopeless. They feel helpless in many ways. When you have a vision,

and when you can track to that vision, then there is always the sense that you can make

or create a solution. So even the biggest challenges and often it is the little challenges

that wears a person down. I like to think of those kinds of things as dirt on a windshield.

When you have got that dirt on your windshield you realize if you keep the dirt on your

windshield and you don’t use the wiper, you’re going to be dangerous soon.

What ends up happening when people have all that dirt on their windshield, and

often the dirt is several things, including their current belief systems. The belief systems

that they develop when they were quite young and often times they’re unaware that

those belief systems are like the operating system for them. The way that they make

meaning of things. How one person looks at their failing in a situation and goes “I just

figured out ten ways this doesn’t work. Like Thomas Edison, I figured out 999 ways not

to make a light bulb. So that is one belief system. You get another person who looks at

that failing or that series of failings and goes “I’m a loser. I do not know what I’m doing. I

do not know what I’m playing at.” Two identical failures but two very different belief

systems about what it means. Turn on the windshield and when a person has got

enough dirt on their windshield which a lot of people do, they tend to drive slowly. Some

of them are stuck. Some of them were just sitting on the side of the road stuck. Often

they’re driving slowly. Whereas somebody that has a clean windshield can see feet,

yards, and miles ahead. They can drive quickly.

Rob: I was working out with a trainer once he asked me a question. He said, “Robert

you do great in the gym. You love the crazy workouts. I try my best to hurt you. But do

your behaviors outside the gym match the lifestyle you want?” I responded “Oh, you got

me on that one.” Can you talk about how your behaviors must match your vision?

Adam: I think what we said earlier is really meaningful for this point which is that often

we see a disconnect between the things we say we want and the things we do. I know

for me that was reflected when I would say to my wife in the morning “I’ll see you for

dinner. I will be home for dinner. I can’t wait to see you guys and have dinner together.”

4 o’clock in the afternoon would come and I would start to get productive. So, things I

had put off that I could have done in the morning, difficult things that I needed to my

wrap my arms around, whether it was to write a brief or it was to write a contract or

something. I would start to do at 4 o’clock in the afternoon, and I would get really

good at getting productive at 4 o’clock in the afternoon. By six o’clock in the afternoon I

was humming and producing. I was doing things that were going be good for money,

good for business, good for my client relationships, and all that kind of stuff. Getting

home at 6:30 for dinner was never going to happen when that was my habit.

That was my ritual and we ritualize to habitualize. The things that we make. The

sacred cows in our life. The things that become those habits. There was a complete

disconnect between the words that were coming out of my mouth. The actions that I

was taking later in the same day or even an hour later. An hour after I said that I was

still cleaning my desk, or I was answering back some calls that were important and

urgent. I was putting off doing the more difficult work when I was warmed up. Yet that

was only going to perpetuate me being a liar again. I was going to get home at 8 o’clock

that night, walk in the door, miss dinner, still be able to kiss the kids go night, and I will

have broken my word yet again. Here I am a lawyer and I’m just breaking my word day

after day. After a while it wears at your soul.

When you think about your behaviors and your trainer pointed this out to you, is

so important that when your behaviors are not a match for the words that come out of

your mouth or the thoughts that you think. The things that are important to you, but your

behaviors don’t match those thoughts you’ve got something to put your attention to.

Now as part of our work in resilience we prepare a resilience assessment. We have a

tool that we share with individuals and with organizations to help them to figure out

where it is that they might be lacking in resilience mentally, emotionally, physically, and

spiritually. There is a question that is part of that assessment that’s all about what you

and I are discussing now. This misalignment between the things that we say are

important to us and the things we are actually doing in our life. I’ll give you the link for

this assessment. Anybody can use this link to get their results. It is 16 questions and

takes 3 to 4 minutes to complete. It is your.resilienceculture.com

You are going to find out not just what your score is, but what does it mean, and

what can you do about it. Again, if your beliefs are out of alignment with your actions or

if your words are out of alignment with your actions, that doesn’t just make us a

hypocrite. It actually makes us unproductive; it depletes us. Like I say, it wears at your

soul and that depletion, that exhaustion, that overwhelmed, and those things that we

feel don’t allow us to be resilient. They don’t allow us to be at our best. Life and

business are challenging enough by themselves. You put into the mix the unexpected,

the death of someone, the loss of a client, a pandemic that comes out of nowhere, or

political unrest. What was a difficult sport to begin with just got that much more difficult.

How are you showing up in those moments? Are you able to show up and seize the

opportunities when others are running because they are paralyzed by fear?

That Is why I say it was a mixed bag this year because there were opportunities

to grow and develop, serve more people, earn more money, and create a new vision or

a modified vision for the future of your business going into 2021 and beyond. A lot of

people were able to do that. There were even more number of people that were unable

to do that and got stuck in that and caught in that world pool of depleting mindset and

the degradation that comes from living in anxiety or living in fear. So your behaviors are

very much an important thing as a talisman of what you truly believe. Not what you say

you believe but what you truly believe. Because your actions will be the thing that tells

the story. So, if you want to change those behaviors and I’m not saying you have to be

stuck with “well it is just the way I am or I just don’t keep my word. Or even I will get

productive at 4 O’clock and so I can’t be home at dinner.” That is not the way this works.

It can work that way of course, but the other way it can work is you make small changes

which is what we talked about earlier.

I don’t even want to call it a solution or a sort of an antidote. But it just works. And

you only know that when you do it yourself consistently, that when you commit to

making incremental progress, commits to small changes, what you see over time is that

hockey stick. You see the compound effect of making small changes and that is how

you develop new rituals. That is how you replace those behaviors with behaviors that

more align with what you truly want to believe or what you really do believe. However,

that requires consciousness. It requires a commitment to making a small change. So

when I was miserable as a lawyer I couldn’t just quit. Who knows what my world would

have looked like if I just quit it. I was not prepared to walk away from my clients and

walk away from responsibilities. I knew I needed to get out but I needed to get out in a

way that was going to make sense long-term. So people reading this you have to think

long-term. You have to be able to think short-term and long-term when making

decisions and to the extent that you can’t see out of the windshield. You must be

engaged in a process and with people, mentors and others that can help you to clear

the windshield. Somebody like yourself, Robert. To be coached by someone that can

reflect true information to a person and give them real feedback is vital.

Rob: That was absolutely life changing information that you just delivered. You

mentioned one of my favorite things I love to talk about, coach, and train on and that is

fear. There is a quote in your book that states, “at the heart of our intangible pivot fear is

one fear, is that we would not be good enough.” How do we get past and overcome fear

that holds us back from discovering our purpose?

Adam: It is a thing that is individualized. In the book, I identify these five fear stories

than we often can relate to. Everybody’s fear is different, yet it feels the same. That is

the funny or not so funny part about it. Pain is a good one too. You cannot compare

pain because pain is pain. Mental or physical pain. If you are in pain, you are in pain.

There is no comparing it and fear feels the way it does regardless of the reason for the

fear. So, you can’t compare it. You cannot say you know something you are afraid of is

not something I’;m afraid of. Something I am afraid of you cannot look at and go, oh, that

is easy and not an issue. So, it is an individualized thing and to me fear is a buffer, fear

is a bully, and fear is something that exists in the absence of love. For me there is no

hack. It is just something that in the moment that you feel fear and it is real, you do not

ignore it, you do not say it is not here. You just must recognize that that fear is there

because love is not.

Rob: That is powerful. I hope people here that. Fear is the absence of love. That is

strong. That is good stuff. That is great stuff right there. I have always been a morning

person. It is just my nature. My mom is as well. She worked for the State of Tennessee

at the women’s prison for over 30 years. She is used to getting up four or five in the

morning and still does even after many years of retirement. I mentioned that because I

am a huge believer in mourning rituals. I am a huge believer in earning the first part of

your day. I bring that up just because in a recent podcast of yours, you were having a

great discussion with Mark Victor Hanson and his wife Crystal. Mark being the author of

the Chicken Soup for the Soul series. It was an immensely powerful interview that

everyone should check out. Could you talk about morning rituals and how some years

ago started asking yourself different questions in the morning. Talk to us about morning

rituals and asking those questions when you first wake.

Adam: This was so fascinating and became interesting enough to do more than a

podcast on it. I gave a TED Talk in 2018 on this topic of one particular ritual that

became a life saver for me and still is. This is still the life preserver or the buoy that I am

able to hold on to when I feel fear, doubt, or worry as we do. The conversation and the

Conscious Pivot Podcast with Mark and Crystal was about the fact that rituals are so

important that we’ve got to be thinking in terms of what are we doing on a ritual basis.

Ultimately the quality of our life really is equal to the quality of the things that we

ritualized, the things that we make so important that we consciously do them and

repeatedly. So I do one thing in particular that’s a part of a longer morning routine or a

morning ritual and I do it when I wake. It was interesting enough to want to write a book

about it and not just one book actually. As it turns out, it is a book and a workbook. I just

got this in the mail a couple of days ago because it’s now in pre-order and will be

officially on the shelves and bookstores around the world on the first of January. It is the

I love my life challenge workbook and individuals that want to find out more about it can

go to the website which is www.Ilovemylifechallenge.com to find out more. It is a 28-

day interactive workbook on how to create the kinds of rituals that ultimately become

habits. When I said earlier that I used to begin the day with that feeling of anxiety and

even the sense of dread, it was setting the compass for my day. I would be anxious that

day. I would be agitated that day. I would be angry that day. That is the way it went. I

was a lawyer and a litigation attorney. I could be as angry as I wanted to be and I got

paid for it too. Now what I do is very different in the morning. It is three parts. First part

is I wake up. Now that sounds like okay, what’s with that? We all do that. Robert you

woke up this morning, right? When you went to bed last night did you get a contract?

Was it written in stone or on paper that guaranteed you see another day?

No, me either. I did not get that contract. I have not met anybody yet that has a

contract for that. So, when I wake up, I realize I have been given another day. I feel that

for a moment. What does that mean? It means somebody went to bed when I went to

bed last night and they did not wake up. It means I am taking a breath in this moment

and know that there are people who are taking their very last breath in this moment.

This then transforms me right there. Instantly I am getting transformed in this moment

now because it makes that moment holy. It makes that moment sacred. It is not just any

old moment in your life. That is the first moment of waking. I get to be holy to start. I get

to create something sacred for the day. My grandma used to say leave the house on the

right foot. I leave the bed on the right foot. I do not want to leave the bed on the wrong

foot the way I used to for so many years.

Yeah, so I feel gratitude in that moment and that is the second part, the horse is now

being led. It is just so easy. I just go right down that beautiful trail of gratitude, and I

think about what I am grateful for in the moment. For as long as I feel like thinking about

it, I put my feet on the floor and I say “I love my life.” Those four simple words and it is

not easy. Not easy to love your life in the middle of a pandemic, in the middle of a

divorce, in the middle of cancer, or anything that might be going on. Yet that is the

through line of the book. It is the through line of that TED Talk. It is the question, the

simple question of what it would be like if you would love your life no matter what. When

you learn to love your life no matter what, you are resilient.

Rob: In listening to you talk about that it reminds me of my sister and her end of life

journey. You and I were talking before we started the podcast. She passed away

recently from a brave fight with cancer. One of the things that I talked about at her

memorial was that I’m really proud because even in the midst such pain she maintained

a smile that I can promise you, would light up the room. I do not care what mood you

were in, even in her last days, she fought with, as you mentioned, just being grateful for

the life that she did have. It made me ask myself a question at her memorial service. It

is the same question that came up last year when my dad died. That question is

“Robert, are you living up to your full potential? Are you grateful for what you have?” I

recently did a podcast and I ask individuals to ask themselves that question…Are you

waking up every day grateful? Are you living your full potential?

As we are coming to a close here; we’e going into a new year. I have always thought

of this time of the year as a great opportunity to take accounting of our life. Based on

this past year and your experience, how would you coach and advise people going into

this new year?

Adam: You must develop your resilience before you need it. You develop your

resilience now, not because we are in the middle of a challenge, but because this is not

the last challenge that any of us will face.

Rob: I am glad you say that because Adam that concerns me honestly. My concern is

that people think January 1st, 2021 is going to come around and suddenly life is just

going to get 100% better. And I want people to understand that it does not work that

way. It just does not. You talk about resilience and you are absolutely correct. I really do

appreciate that. I would like to wrap up this way, you previously mentioned you have a

new book and manual coming out and I am so looking forward to that. Are there any

other new projects or anything you are working on that you can share with my

audience?

Adam: Folks can go to adammarkel.com. As you said we have a robust podcast show

that includes people from really diverse backgrounds. We are working on that a lot and

there is really fresh and new content all the time there. We do a lot of virtual training.

We are doing virtual workshops for organizations both large and small. As I said,

anything from a start-up to Fortune 50. We do speaker training work. On the website

you can explore what that looks like. If you are the kind of person that’s ever had it on

your bucket list to be a TEDX speaker or a keynote speaker and you want to pivot into

that work slowly over time or you want to roll up your sleeves and start right away, then

we support folks in that area. All those things can be accessed from the

Adammarkel.com website side. If you are the kind of person that resonates with that

message about how you develop resilience, take the resilience assessment we gave

earlier, Your.resilienceculture.com and get your free assessment resources. There are

no strings attached to that, it is our gift. And the book “I love My life Challenge” is in pre-

order right now. We will have a launch party at the beginning of January. Go to

www.Ilovemylifechallenge.com and find out more about that. We are going to start that

28-day challenge in January. I agree with you, Robert. Just because we change the

calendar year and we figuratively are turning a page, putting one year behind a starting

a new one... I think there is something that is a ritual to that. There is an energy about it.

I think it is a positive thing. People recognize it is a clean end of one thing and the

beginning of another. But it is also what you said, which is that those things that we

want to change don’t change magically overnight. We have take those small steps. Get

people around us that are willing to tell us the truth and be truthful with ourselves to

think and again, look forward and go forward.

Rob: Absolutely. Adam thank you so very much. Today has selfishly just been a

blessing for me. I cannot wait to go back and review our conversation. But like I said,

thank you so much, we really appreciate all your heart, your knowledge, wisdom, and

just your love. You are just genuine. I told you my friend I was in love with you from day

one, so I really do appreciate it.

Adam: What an honor. Thank you, Robert. thanks for having me.


Resources:

AdamMarkel.com

Robgraycoaching.com

Ilovemylifechallenge.com

“The Champ Up” Podcast

“The Conscious Pivot” Podcast

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